How Long Pimples Really Work

If you are reading this article, there's a good chance that:

  • You don't know how to play against long pimples, and you feel that long pimples are unpredictable, unfair, and should be banned. You need some help on how to deal with them before you go out of your mind!; or
  • You are planning to use long pimples yourself (or have just started), and you are winning some points with them, and losing others, but you don't really know what will happen next. Your opponent doesn't know what is going on, and neither do you!
What I'm going to do in this article is explain in simple terms how long pimples work. By the time you have finished reading you should have a clear grasp of what is happening out there on the table when you use your long pips.

Long Pips Are Predictable

The first thing to understand about long pimples is this - long pimples are predictable. Forget what your friends, opponents or anybody else has to say about how confusing and random their effects are - it's all garbage. Once you understand how they work, long pips are entirely predictable. IMPORTANT!! - they don't always work the same as inverted rubber - but they do always do the same thing. Burn that into your brain and you'll have made a good first step to getting the hang of long pips.

Forget The Frictionless Long Pips

I'm going to explain to you about how the typical grippy long pip rubbers work. I'm not going to worry about frictionless long pips - they have been banned by the ITTF and you won't be seeing them again anytime soon. At any rate, they were predictable as well (in a different way), except for the versions with grippy tops and slippery sides, or slippery tops and grippy sides. But now that they are all gone, I'll stick to explaining normal grippy long pips, where the pimple tops and sides are all more or less the same friction level.

Long Pimples - Chop vs Topspin

Let's start with the classic scenario, where your opponent has topspinned (or looped) the ball at you, and you chop the ball with your long pips. Take a look at the animation below, then read on.

lp_chop_vs_topspin_6

The picture really says it all, but I'll add a few clarifications.

  • As you can see from the animation, you have taken your opponent's topspin, added to the amount of spin by brushing the ball with your long pips, and then sent the ball back in the other direction, but with the ball spinning faster in the same direction it was originally revolving.
  • The amount of spin added by the bending of the pips will depend on your bat speed, bat angle, and how well you brush the ball with the pips. A faster bat, a more open bat angle, and a better brush can really increase the spin on the ball, giving your opponent a really heavy backspin ball to deal with.
  • The thickness of your sponge (if any), stiffness of the pips, and amount of grip of the pips will all affect the amount of extra spin you can generate. I've found that the amount of sponge isn't hugely important, but stiffer pips tend to generate less spin, and obviously less grippy pips will increase the spin less.
  • Finally, notice that the result of this stroke with long pips is pretty much the same as if you have chopped the ball with a normal inverted rubber - you have increased the amount of spin on the ball, in the same direction as it was originally spinning. You probably haven't increased it as much as an inverted rubber would, but apart from that it's pretty much the same.

Long Pimples - Chop vs Backspin

Now let's look at what happens when you play the same sort of stroke (another chop), but against your opponent's backspin ball. As you can see from the animation below, the results are very different.

lp_chop_vs_backspin_1

Some points to note:

  • Firstly, you have played the exact same shot, but the effect on the ball (and your opponent!) is completely different. In this case you are bending the pips to reduce the amount of spin on the ball, not increase it.
  • Also, notice that although you have reduced the amount of spin on the ball, you have not reversed the direction of the spin. So it goes back to your opponent with some topspin on the ball.
  • This is completely different to what would have happened if you had played this stroke with a normal inverted rubber, in which case you would have changed the direction of the spin to a counterclockwise direction, which would be backspin to your opponent.
  • This is one of the reasons why players who don't understand long pips complain that they are unpredictable. The result of your long pips stroke is opposite to that  of a similar inverted rubber stroke - but it is entirely predictable - it will always work that way.

Long Pimples - 'Loop' Against Backspin

OK, now let's reverse the direction of your own stroke, and see what happens. I'll start with you playing an upward, loop style stroke against your opponent's backspin ball. Look below to see what the result is.

lp_loop_vs_backspin

 

Points to note:

  • In essence, you are just reversing what happens when you chop against your opponent's topspin ball. Once again, you are using the bending of your long pips to brush the ball and increase the amount of spin in the original direction, while sending the ball back to your opponent. So his backspin ball comes back to him as a topspin ball, with a little more spin that he originally put on it.
  • Again, the end result of this stroke is more or less the same as what your opponent would expect if you had used an inverted rubber - you are increasing the amount of spin on the ball. Maybe not quite as much as an inverted rubber would, but still a similar effect.

Long Pimples - 'Loop' Against Topspin

Now let's see what happens if you play a loop type stroke with your long pips against a topspin ball.

lp_loop_vs_topspin

Points to note:

  • Even though you have used a topspin style stroke, you have not changed the direction of the spin, you have only reduced the amount of spin a little. It was spinning heavily counterclockwise when it came towards you, and it's still spinning counterclockwise as it goes away from you, just not as fast. So the ball will return to your opponent as a backspin ball, not a topspin ball.
  • The only way you will manage to actually change the direction of the ball's spin is if your opponent has played a very light topspin, in which case you might be able to change it into a very light topspin ball back. I'm talking very light spin in both cases here.
  • Again, this is one of the situations where opponents who don't understand long pips will tend to get mad. If you had played this stroke with an inverted rubber, you would have changed the direction of the spin from counterclockwise (topspin from your opponent) to clockwise (topspin from you). But instead, the opposite has happened, the ball is still spinning counterclockwise, just a little more slowly. Remember, just because your opponent doesn't understand what is going on, doesn't make long pips unpredictable. They will work this way every time - and now hopefully you will be able to predict what will happen!

Long Pimples - Killing Topspin

Finally, let's take a look at one of the advanced aspects of using long pips - the ability to kill the spin on the ball when your opponent doesn't expect it, returning a sneaky float ball. Again, I must point out that although the long pips don't kill the spin the same way as inverted rubber does, they are totally predictable in how they work - you just have to know what is going on.

Take a look at both animations below - the idea is the same for both.

lp_punch_vs_topspin_1

lp_punch_vs_backspin

Points to note:

  • Firstly, let me just point out that this is not the easiest technique in the world to master. You have to get your bat angle and the direction of your stroke just right, so that your pips bend in all directions, rather than in the same direction. This is not as easy as you might think.
  • Secondly, think about the difference between this stroke and how you would kill the spin with a normal rubber. With an inverted rubber, you have to judge the amount of spin the ball has when it reaches you (which is usually much less than your opponent originally put on it due to air resistance), and then put exactly the same amount of spin in the opposite direction to cancel everything out. So you generally end up stroking much more slowly then your opponent, since you are trying to cancel out the smaller amount of spin that is left when it reaches you. This slow stroke usually makes it pretty obvious that you are trying to kill the spin.
  • In contrast, with long pips you aren't trying to reverse your opponent's spin precisely, you are just trying to grab the ball and stop the spin completely. (It's like the difference between trying to stop a spinning top by flicking it in the other direction, versus just grabbing the darn thing!). So you don't have to swing slower, you just have to get the bat angle and direction right. You may not kill the spin totally, but if you do it right you'll reduce it much more than he thinks! So it's not easy for your opponent to tell what you are doing - inverted rubber doesn't work like that.
  • Again, this is another example why players who don't understand long pips get confused - and why you might get confused as well. If you don't know that long pips can do this - you might accidentally manage to play this type of stroke during a match and leave both you and your opponent scratching your head about what just happened, as the ball takes off in an unexpected direction.
  • This is also a great technique to use against opponents who tell you that they have long pips "all figured out". These type of players usually understand how the bending of the pips can increase or decrease the spin on the ball. Throw this technque at them a few times, and watch them start to scratch their heads and lose their confidence. Lovely stuff!

Conclusion

Obviously, this article isn't the complete guide to long pips. There's a lot more to using them successfully then just understanding the basics, but knowing the fundamentals is essential if you are going to be a good long pips player.

An expert long pips player can vary the amount of bending of the pips to increase or decrease the effects, twiddle his bat around to use the other inverted side, or even adjust his swing speed and amount of wrist he uses to completely bamboozle his opponent.

If you'd like to learn more about the advanced use of long pimpled rubbers, you can join my online coaching group to get advice on techniques, tactics and training. I've used long pips and antispin rubbers for over 20 years, and at age 38 I'm still competing successfully at the national level in Australia (just ask some of my victims!), with a ranking of #945 in the ITTF World Men's Rankings as of December 2008.

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+17 #1 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkFrank Lee 2012-05-31 03:12
Very good illustration regarding long pips fundamentals, Thanks!!!
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+5 #2 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkNoel926 2012-05-31 03:38
Excellent article with great animation....the best and most concise article for basic long pip theory that I have read...and much needed for myself....Thank You.
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+6 #3 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkGreg Letts 2012-05-31 03:39
You're welcome guys - happy to help! Hope you can put the info to good use next time you play against long pips.
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+4 #4 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkNoFootwork 2012-05-31 03:40
Very nice, concise article with the best animations I have seen explaining LP behavior. Now destroy/hide this article before any non-pippers see it ;)
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+4 #5 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkGreg Letts 2012-05-31 03:42
This article will self destruct in 10 seconds.... ;D Seriously though, bending those pips using Flash was a real hassle (I'm talking hours to get it working) - but at least it turned out OK in the end!
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+6 #6 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkSofyan Efendi 2012-05-31 03:53
I would say THANK YOU very much to Mr.Greg's for animations above. Very very help and help me to understand how long pimples work. THANK YOU ! :)
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+3 #7 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkJoel Lidstrom 2012-05-31 03:54
Finally someone accurately saying that long pips do not reverse spin, but merely "reverse" the opponent's expectations of the spin. Well done!
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+4 #8 Thanks!Joel 2012-05-31 03:55
I can't believe how hard it was to try and find this information elsewhere on the internet. Being new to table tennis, and never having seen actual long pips before, I had a tough time figuring out what they even looked like.

And then everywhere I went told me it reversed the spin, which really had me confused. There is no reversal of spin, a ball spinning counterclockwise always leaves the racket spinning counterclockwise, just depending on the type of shots, it may slow it down or speed it up. Great.... now I'm off to go find out what inverted rubbers are all about.
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+2 #9 Long pip spongeMana 2012-05-31 03:56
Hello , maybe my quesiton is farway ,,, what is the diffrence between playing BTY LP II 1,3 mm and BTY LP OX ?
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+2 #10 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkGreg Letts 2012-05-31 03:56
Generally, using sponge will give a bit more power and slightly better ability to put more spin on the ball, at the loss of a little bit of control. Some players also feel that you get better "wobble" of the ball when using no sponge, but I can't say that I've noticed much difference myself.
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0 #11 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkAllan 2012-05-31 03:57
Great animations, I always wanted to know how long pips worked and now I can go out and destroy those cheeky long pip players, quick backspin to the pips and then smash it away when it comes back with top.. hee hee thanks Mr Greg :)
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+1 #12 RE: How Long Pimples Really Worklee bowen 2012-05-31 03:58
Many thanks has help me a lot always lose to pimples players
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-1 #13 Thanks for the explanation and adviceJohan Rodeyns 2012-05-31 03:59
Greg,
First of all I would also like to congratulate you with the great animations and explanation about long pimples. It confirms what I always have been saying to players who start complaining how ‘inpredictable’ long pimps are… they aren’t !

About ten years ago I have also played a couple of years with long pimps, but switched over to ‘normal’ inverted rubbers again. Reason for doing that was that I had zero control to attack with the pimples (in my backhand). I could get a very high ball but just did not succeed to smash with it. (I played with Friendship 837 Premium 2000, OX.)

Now I’m thinking again to switch to long pimps again.

My playing style with long pimps was easy : just block at the table, no ‘long’ defence.

With inverted rubbers, I do approx the same : chop and block at the table.

In my forehand I play with inverted rubbers, all-round playing style.

What kind of long pimples would you advise ?

Thank You
Johan
PS I play in Belgium, land of Jean-Micheal Saive. In my region I’m nr 634 out of 8000 players, so certainly no top player, but still good enough to win lots of matches :-)
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-2 #14 Thanks for the explanation and adviceJohan Rodeyns 2012-05-31 04:07
Greg,
First of all I would also like to congratulate you with the great animations and explanation about long pimples. It confirms what I always have been saying to players who start complaining how ‘inpredictable’ long pimps are… they aren’t !
About ten years ago I have also played a couple of years with long pimps, but switched over to ‘normal’ inverted rubbers again. Reason for doing that was that I had zero control to attack with the pimples (in my backhand). I could get a very high ball but just did not succeed to smash with it. (I played with Friendship 837 Premium 2000, OX.)
Now I’m thinking again to switch to long pimps again.
My playing style with long pimps was easy : just block at the table, no ‘long’ defence.
With inverted rubbers, I do approx the same : chop and block at the table.
In my forehand I play with inverted rubbers, all-round playing style.
What kind of long pimples would you advise ?
Thank You
Johan
PS I play in Belgium, land of Jean-Micheal Saive. In my region I’m nr 634 out of 8000 players, so certainly no top players, but still good enough to win lots of matches 
PS2 : also interested in your online coaching group - is that still active ?
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0 #15 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkGreg Letts 2012-05-31 04:10
Hello Johan,

For a close to the table chop/blocking game with long pips, there are a number of choices. I personally preferred long pips with good control and spin variation, but not a lot of "wobble" - such as Stiga Destroyer OX, TSP Curl P-2 (a medium-long pip). Other similar long pips include Dawei 388-D and Feint III.
Other players prefer long pips that wobble and dip a lot more, but can be harder to control. DHS Cloud and Fog III, Magic Monkey, Tibhar Grass, and Hallmark Frustration come to mind.

Others that do a bit of both include Friendship long pips (755 etc), Yasaka Phantom 007, and others that I can't recall at the moment - lots of the Chinese type long pips seem to have control and a bit of wobble.

Yes, my coaching program is still active. I'm currently in the middle of doing the Month 5 content, and intend to finish after Month 6, by which stage the course should have about 50 hours of video coaching.
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+1 #16 RE: How Long Pimples Really Workjackie 2012-05-31 04:10
hey, Greg, which kind of rubber you would recommend? Do you mean some very soft long pimps rubber will be better? :)
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-2 #17 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkGreg Letts 2012-05-31 04:11
Not necessarily - some soft long pip rubbers will bend more than those with stiffer pimples, but this just means that they react differently. Whether this is better or worse depends on your own style and what you are trying to do with them.

You will find generally it easier to vary the spin more with softer long pips, and find the ball a little harder to control.
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-1 #18 awesome!!!hero 2012-05-31 04:12
appreciate ur effort!!!!
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-1 #19 When a person hits with long pipsDale 2012-05-31 04:13
As a former long pips player, when ever someone would give me heavy push or chop that bounced above net height, I would flat hit-(flick) this ball away (usually with my back hand). My opponent would almost always try to counter this and end up hitting his shot into the very bottom of the net. It was an effective tool in a big point when I was serving, and if I could predict his rally stroke would be under spin, a very safe way to win a crucial point. Have you experienced this? Awesome explanation-Thank You!!!
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-1 #20 Other EffectsMartin Solomons 2012-05-31 04:14
Hi Greg. I have read this article several times over the past few seasons and agree with other feedback that it is excellent. More advanced aspects that you might consider including are the changes in speed and flight trajectory with the various techniques. Also the effect of sidespin...
Cheers,
Martin
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+2 #21 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkSundeep S S 2012-05-31 04:17
hi Gregg,
wonderful article.
I've started to use Tenergy 25 for forehand and Yasaka Phantom 009 long pimple anti spin for back hand. Have gone though several surgeries, therfore thought of slowing down my game.
any suggestions on how to improve my game. I am sure your coaching would help, but as of now it is beyond my budget to join.
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0 #22 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkColin G. Bradley 2013-06-11 12:24
Great stuff and wonderful to see your clear animations. Your time and efforts are really appreciated.
Just got my 2 new rubbers (837 Mystery III)to help defeat the killer serves I am having a hard time dealing with as I get older.
My old anti-loop was just not cutting it so I have big hopes.
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+3 #23 different experiencePingpongpaddy 2013-09-25 17:54
Hi Greg
I think your advice is good and will work, but I have a different idea as to what is happening:-
LP chop against topspin (medium drive). because the pimples bend back they provide little resistance so the ball continues to rotate according to the spin applied by the looper, who gets his own spin back as chop - which is why its predictable.
LP chop against power drive or Kill:-
In this case the pips bend right against the base providing orthodox heavy chop from the chop stroke itself.
This effect can also be produced against a roll by the chopper introducing a superfast swing to bend the pips back all the way.
This is from my experience with LP back in 70's early 80's . I use sp now but I have tried the current LPs and the above still works.
I dont think it effects the advice to the attacker much except to watch out for that superfast swing
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0 #24 RE: How Long Pimples Really WorkNinux 2014-01-06 02:16
Nice Explanation.
I am bit confused , for a loop stroke with
Long pimples against a top spin would result
In Top spin only but with comparatively
Less spin. The animation shows it will result in back spin, could you Plz explain
On that. Thanks in advance. Ninux.
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